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i appreciate u taking the time to go through the scoring system with us its obviously helps......now i dont think the judging was at all of the mark fir the weekend most of the progression to the final i had placed in my head anyway similar with the final 3...its just the winner that makes an issue for me whilst he is a good eta i have been told by numerous people over the last 3 months that the contest was his and tbh by the amount of people who stormed out as he was announced winner im not the only one

Hi David like i said i didnt even know who he was i had heard the name but as far as it goes , i didnt even go threw the contest list prior contest looking at youtube etc cause its about how you preform on the night .......

You see your dammed if you do and dammed if you dont there was a few well known ETA's who normally get threw to the final but didnt make the grade why ? Simples they didnt make the grade on the night there was other ETA's who preformed better. And regardless of the big gun status if they didnt preform on the night they didnt get through.

But there is a secret code in there Big Gun ? what makes a Big Gun ? How did they get the status ? Do you remember RED RUM ? if that horse was in a race most people would predict well in advance the horse would win ? but if Red Rum didnt preform in a race then he wouldnt win ? See where i coming from ? This is exactly the same for the ETA's at the contest.

Hope this makes sence ?

the winner was not my choice sure he was worthy of a placing but for me eirann elvis should have won .

i dont beleive for the comp was fixed , but there was one guy who i was talking to on sunday morning and this is what he told me .
Gordan hendrix has won a nationl television contest (stars in your eyes ) he was on the worlds greatest elvis concert so why would somebody who has built up a reputation and accomplished so much risk everything he has obviously worked hard for , i mean how would he be feeling this morning if he never finished first or maybe not even in the top three , for me he risked a hell of a lot to enter a competition .

TBH David, he wasnt my first place, it would have gone to Eiren Elvis, then Pete Storm, then Andy Wood but with 5 judges on the panel, its all the marks added together. At that standard it was very close and any of the top 3 who officially won it would have done us proud in Memphis as I am sure Gordon will.
I really wish the score sheets could be published to show exactly how each guy was marked. It would also be good if next time the audience could 'play along' and see how they faired. Lets face it we sat there enjoying the show, the judges had to look for every little detail and scrutinise every move. The the audience could watch, have a sing, a dance and a chat whilst watching the show, where as the judges had to be glued to every act all the time. Im just glad I know in my own mind that it was done properly so Im happy with that

pauldb38 wrote:

Hi David like i said i didnt even know who he was i had heard the name but as far as it goes , i didnt even go threw the contest list prior contest looking at youtube etc cause its about how you preform on the night .......

You see your dammed if you do and dammed if you dont there was a few well known ETA's who normally get threw to the final but didnt make the grade why ? Simples they didnt make the grade on the night there was other ETA's who preformed better. And regardless of the big gun status if they didnt preform on the night they didnt get through.

But there is a secret code in there Big Gun ? what makes a Big Gun ? How did they get the status ? Do you remember RED RUM ? if that horse was in a race most people would predict well in advance the horse would win ? but if Red Rum didnt preform in a race then he wouldnt win ? See where i coming from ? This is exactly the same for the ETA's at the contest.

Hope this makes sence ?

Paul out of interest which so called top names missed out that would usually expect to be there ??

viva ronnie c wrote:

the winner was not my choice sure he was worthy of a placing but for me eirann elvis should have won .

i dont beleive for the comp was fixed , but there was one guy who i was talking to on sunday morning and this is what he told me .
Gordan hendrix has won a nationl television contest (stars in your eyes ) he was on the worlds greatest elvis concert so why would somebody who has built up a reputation and accomplished so much risk everything he has obviously worked hard for , i mean how would he be feeling this morning if he never finished first or maybe not even in the top three , for me he risked a hell of a lot to enter a competition .

I can answer that one easy Ronnie obviously he is competitive hence why he goes in to contests , but the reward is all expnces paid trip to Memphis and a place in the big contest in Memphis ?
Also tbh he didnt think he had won he was on about going to bed he said i'll get the scores in the morning as he was so tired. But there is where he gets his big gun status cause he does well in contest ?

This just came to me as a better example do you remember a few years ago on britains got tallent and susan boyle ? What a sensation what world wide attention she got , in advance of the final bookies and the world had her as the next champion , but on the final she cracked she was under pressure, she wasn't up to her normal standard and she didnt win ?

EDDIE P wrote:

pauldb38 wrote:

Hi David like i said i didnt even know who he was i had heard the name but as far as it goes , i didnt even go threw the contest list prior contest looking at youtube etc cause its about how you preform on the night .......

You see your dammed if you do and dammed if you dont there was a few well known ETA's who normally get threw to the final but didnt make the grade why ? Simples they didnt make the grade on the night there was other ETA's who preformed better. And regardless of the big gun status if they didnt preform on the night they didnt get through.

But there is a secret code in there Big Gun ? what makes a Big Gun ? How did they get the status ? Do you remember RED RUM ? if that horse was in a race most people would predict well in advance the horse would win ? but if Red Rum didnt preform in a race then he wouldnt win ? See where i coming from ? This is exactly the same for the ETA's at the contest.

Hope this makes sence ?

Paul out of interest which so called top names missed out that would usually expect to be there ??

I'll have to look over the list mate but one springs to mind only because he was my best man and that was Jim Santana , he has always got into the final for the 6/7 years i have known him
but this year he missed out by just a few points and before anyone askes i didnt score him the lowest or highest i was the middle vote.

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Sharrie wrote:

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Have to say I had Ciaran 1st till I heard Gordon.
I had Gordon 1st till I heard Pete.
I missed Andy coz I sneaked off to Asda for some Bacardi during the break but heard nothing afterwards to make me change my mind.

There are rumblings about Gordon. I thought Pete was better on the night.
I missed Eddie - but watched him later on video.
I saw Jim.

They were easily better than at least two who were in the final, simply because they sounded more like Elvis.

But everyone hears different things.

Sharrie wrote:

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Sharrie i think you have another agender here i never said they have to be agreed what i said was they agreed with our scoring and obviously if people raise questions like yours they need to check to make sure there's no fowl play. I repeat the Judges scores was final !

Its people like you that make event organisers so carfull and make sure they got everything right
because no matter how hard we try where never going to satisfy you or people like you!

pauldb38 wrote:

Sharrie wrote:

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Sharrie i think you have another agender here i never said they have to be agreed what i said was they agreed with our scoring and obviously if people raise questions like yours they need to check to make sure there's no fowl play. I repeat the Judges scores was final !

Its people like you that make event organisers so carfull and make sure they got everything right
because no matter how hard we try where never going to satisfy you or people like you!

no, no hidden agenda. just read what you said in a previous post, Paul

you wrote "We had a meeting with the Event organisers where the score was looked at in detail again for consistency and neil will back me up on this , the organisers agreed with our scores of who should be in the final and who should be placed in the top 3." That is why I said that the organisers' opinions are immaterial, that it is up to the judges to decide who wins.

What on earth makes you think I have another agenda? I don't understand.


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Sharrie wrote:

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Sharrie i think you have another agender here i never said they have to be agreed what i said was they agreed with our scoring and obviously if people raise questions like yours they need to check to make sure there's no fowl play. I repeat the Judges scores was final !

Its people like you that make event organisers so carfull and make sure they got everything right
because no matter how hard we try where never going to satisfy you or people like you![/quote]

Sounds like a good thing...
There should be people who disagree to keep organisers and judges on their toes.
Dissenting voices and opposition are the key to fairness and justice in all parts of society.

You say that you can never satisfy me or people like me, Paul? Bit personal, isn't it? PLease don't make assumptions about my personality. For instance, if i am never satisfied...... why then did i come to the same conclusion as the judges? I judged it impartially, just as you did.

I asked a few questions and interpreted comments, but I never assumed anything. I was satisfied with the weekend, with the people I met, most of whom were brilliant. I was satisfied with the outcome. Only thing I wasn't satisfied with really was the prices at the bar...but I don't think I am alone in that!

And again - thats why I think Paul was asked to be a judge. He run's this forum and they knew he would be back on here to tell us all how it works as in years gone by the comp has had a bit of a bashing as far as judging goes.

Here was the criteria for each contestant on how they were judged as per Elvis Contest UK website:

Vocals will count for 40% of the total score.
Appearance,stage presence and overall performance each count as 20%.

The judging categories are as follows:

• Vocals - Overall singing ability (40% of total score)
• Appearance - Ability to create a look and style that well represents Elvis (20% of total score)
• Stage Presence - Ability to re-create the charisma Elvis created when performing on stage (20% of total score)
• Overall Performance - Quality of the overall performance as a whole (20% of total score)

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pauldb38 wrote:

Sharrie wrote:

That won't happen, Lorna. It seems the results have to be agreed with the organisers. What if Pete had won it in the eyes of the judges, but the organisers disagreed?
I thought Andy was a good too.

Sharrie i think you have another agender here i never said they have to be agreed what i said was they agreed with our scoring and obviously if people raise questions like yours they need to check to make sure there's no fowl play. I repeat the Judges scores was final !

Its people like you that make event organisers so carfull and make sure they got everything right
because no matter how hard we try where never going to satisfy you or people like you![/quote]

Sounds like a good thing...
There should be people who disagree to keep organisers and judges on their toes.
Dissenting voices and opposition are the key to fairness and justice in all parts of society.

Too true, Johnny. I am not an N.U.T. rep for nothing y'know. I hate injustice, and often question decisions made by people making the decisions! Nothing personal, no hidden agenda, just questions.

Lorna wrote:

And again - thats why I think Paul was asked to be a judge. He run's this forum and they knew he would be back on here to tell us all how it works as in years gone by the comp has had a bit of a bashing as far as judging goes.

Here was the criteria for each contestant on how they were judged as per Elvis Contest UK website:

Vocals will count for 40% of the total score.
Appearance,stage presence and overall performance each count as 20%.

The judging categories are as follows:

• Vocals - Overall singing ability (40% of total score)
• Appearance - Ability to create a look and style that well represents Elvis (20% of total score)
• Stage Presence - Ability to re-create the charisma Elvis created when performing on stage (20% of total score)
• Overall Performance - Quality of the overall performance as a whole (20% of total score)

yes, thanks Lorna. It is the criteria I used to judge too.

I haven't commented on any of this, I have my own views which I pretty much like to keep to myself cos I am not about putting anyone down or naming names and the such but I have to say some there are some things that are totally mystifying to me.

I am not interested in Chris' scores either, what he does week in week out the amount of compliments and feedbacks he gets and especially from some of the folks they come from and what I see and hear with my own eyes and ears is more than enough for me. and his audiences

I would also like to remind folks that there were some other people from browser in the comp, and I am sorry but I can't help how i feel but I feel like these guys have become like the forgotten ones. We had Gary Foley, we had Nevada King, we had Johnny King, we had Pete Moore, we had Chris Field there could even be some more I didnt get to meet sorry if I didnt know you was there, we also had members who although they dont post lots are here and from myself personally I would just like to say from me to you guys a BIG WELL DONE xx

ohhhhhhh slap me!!! and Malcolm King who was so selfless in what he did in the final, what a wonderful endorsement for Elvis this man is and a true gentleman - well done Malclom, if we ever get up to Bonnie Scotland or you get down this way would definately like to come to one of your shows xx

Right on Michelle, thats how it should be. There was so much talent in that comp it was unreal and I think there were many more that could have gone through to the final but also think the lads that were in the final, including Garry, Malcolm etc deserved it too. I would pay to watch any of the acts on there and wish them all well in their tributes.

Now see I never marked them myself as above. I said, even before some sang a note 'he's fantastic, he should win' lol! But that was because they looked bloody good and sex appeal. Terrible!

Thanks Michelle. I enjoyed myself very much.
I enjoyed meeting everyone there, although as soon as I heard Paul's name come out as a judge I thought it better to stay away from what I thought would be the Browser table...
That and the fact I thought it better to stay at the back with my Asda drinks...

Anyway, much more important than all this cafuffle about who won this daft wee competition... who won the raffle???? I missed the draw!!

well said Michelle

Sharrie surly where there is a contest someone has to step in and agree or disagree the voting was fair ? Thats where the event organisers could agree or disagree but from what the judges produced as a account of everone's score the event organisers was happy there was no wrong doings ..... In the past accusations have been oh its a fix the eve3nt organisers only put through who they want , this is the first time in all the competitions someone has explained in detail how it was marked , how it was checked etc. Ie from me and i can honestly say that everything was fair and above board. And on a final note i dont understand why you keep protesting after i have given you and the rest of the members a inside view of how it all worked. Do you honestly think i would but my reputation up for doubt if there was anything dodgy ? I wouldnt want to put my relationship with EPE on the line for anyone.

we dont know Johnny but we did raise a grand total of drum rolllll £406.12p which will be winging its way to the choosen charities a soon as i get to work tomorrow get the backlog out the way and get th details of where to send etc...

the winning ticket person never came forward we not sue how we can track them down so will leave it a little while and see if anyone does, we will get the details posted on the contest wall etc... failin a lucky winner coming forward, any suggestions of what to do with the said scarf which is absolutely amazing by the way its longer than I am tall, and is cram packed with signatures, red Alert and the showcasers and the novices etc all signed it too I believe & Chris Connor and ben Portsmouth - which will also be an added extra something special for the winner I think.

Just wanna say Thanks to Sue Moore for the lovely scarf, Sam and Val for helping with ticket sales, the 3 little lovlies for helping to fold all those hundreds of tickets up and of course Michael King and Jay Ashton for not only allowing us to do our charity stint but for also making sure the guys signed it and promoting it to the audience as wonderfully as they did, they were rushed of their feet and still put in the effort to promote the scarf so often, hehe there was even times they did it and we didnt have our tickets on us!! so thanks GUYS!!!!!!!!! XX

pauldb38 wrote:

Sharrie surly where there is a contest someone has to step in and agree or disagree the voting was fair ? Thats where the event organisers could agree or disagree but from what the judges produced as a account of everone's score the event organisers was happy there was no wrong doings ..... In the past accusations have been oh its a fix the eve3nt organisers only put through who they want , this is the first time in all the competitions someone has explained in detail how it was marked , how it was checked etc. Ie from me and i can honestly say that everything was fair and above board. And on a final note i dont understand why you keep protesting after i have given you and the rest of the members a inside view of how it all worked. Do you honestly think i would but my reputation up for doubt if there was anything dodgy ? I wouldnt want to put my relationship with EPE on the line for anyone.

I didn't at any point accuse you of cheating, or of unfair marking, Paul. That is why I protest...I actually agree with you, if you read closely. i will reiterate what I have said:
Judges decision should be final, whether we agree with you or not. It should be a level playing field, for all contestants, and judged impartially. I believe that you judged it impartially. Yes, every year, there are always the same accusations of rigging. I saw what happened last year and the year before with my own eyes, so this year I was obviously very sceptical, as anyone with eyes and a brain would be. Could be big money involved.However, I was pleasantly surprised this year, as things seemed much more transparent. The rumours still made the rounds, as they always do. It was obviously a coincidence, as I said earlier.
So long as there is transparency and judges are open about it, as you have been, there isn't a problem. I thought you explained yourself very well, and merely misconstrued some of the things I have posted. So yes, i was satisfied with the judges decisions in the final,no I did not agree with all the decisons made about who should have made the final (who does)? and no I do not have a hidden agenda. Originally, i just said "I was right" but was then bombarded with comments saying I was suggesting impartiality, cheating judges and so on. I meant I'd had a good time...but I am not one to sit on the fence regarding comments. If someone accuses me of something, I will stick up for myself. Personally, I think it has been a constructive thread, as you have been able to be brutally honest about the judging, and have thereby allayed the doubts of the sceptics.

Thank you sharrie for your kind comments x